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Friday, September 15, 2006
 
Stealing Sermons

I just read an article by pastor Steve Sjogren on why we should quit wasting all those hours in sermon preparation. Instead, he says, we should just use the sermons of others. I don't know whether to scream or cry.

Sjogren writes: "I regularly read the blogs of my favorite communicators from influential churches around the United States. Without mentioning their names in this article, they are young guys who are well-known to everyone reading this piece. They are all authors. They all have very large churches.

"Each of these pastors has recently come out on their blogging sites and admitted, curiously, the same thing. They get approximately 70 percent of their messages each week from other people – word for word according to them. They fill in their own personal illustrations and stories, of course. Two of the guys that I am thinking of as I write this have churches of more than 10,000 in attendance each weekend.

"We need to get over the idea that we have to be completely original with our messages, each and every week. In my mind there is a tremendous amount of pride (let's call it what it is) when we insist on being completely original as communicators. In our desire to give 'killer messages' we are dishing out something far less. Think about it for a second: If you really were giving a killer message each week, would your church be the size that it is right now? Maybe you need to be open to doing things a different way.

"After listening to tens of thousands of messages over the last 30-plus years as a leader, I have come to the conclusion that there are probably only a handful of truly unique communicators in a given generation. And those communicators are almost always the kinds of messengers who speak to already-believers, not the kind who can connect with not-yet believers.

"What is a leader to do? First of all, stop all of this nonsense of spending 25 or 30 hours a week preparing to speak on the weekend. The guys I draw encouragement from – the best communicators in the United States – confess they spend a total of about 15 hours preparing for their message. As I have already said, they get 70 percent of their material from someone else. Remember, Solomon wrote that 'there is nothing new under the sun ...'" (Click here to read the full article.)

Where do I start? First, the idea that drawing a big crowd is the goal of preaching is an utterly destructive notion that can tempt us to cut ethical corners and modify the message in order to entertain and pull numbers. Do we want the church to grow? Absolutely! Is it more enjoyable to preach to a big crowd than a handful? Ususally is for me. But God did not call us to draw crowds; He called us to faithfully preach His Word. A lot of people through the years have been able to draw great crowds to hear their dynamic speaking, but many of them are people we would never dream of trying to emulate. When pastors get the mistaken notion that their primary purpose is to build a big crowd, they are heading into dangerous territory.

Is it OK to use the insights of others as we preach? Absolutely. When I prepare messages, I read sermons by others on the same text/theme, and I regularly find illustrations, textual insights, or other observations that I draw on for my own message. Sometimes I draw extensively from the sermon of another preacher; when that happens, I find a way to tell my listeners about that source (in a way that doesn't become distracting). And I know that others have drawn on my work for their sermons; I know because other preachers have told me, and I'm glad! We are all in this task together, and we have much to learn from each other.

But that is vastly different than what Sjogren proposes -- to lift another person's sermon in total and preach it as your own. That is called plagiarism -- another word would be stealing. You can dress it up in all the rationalizations you like, but when I take something someone else has done and present it as my own work, I am stealing -- compounded by the fact that I am also deceiving a congregation, giving them the impression I have done something I really didn't do. Would we look kindly on a staff member who told us he had made several pastoral calls, only to find out he got someone else to go on his behalf?

The reality is that in adopting the practice of regularly preaching others' sermons as my own, I'm also stealing from myself. Part of the passion and power that comes through the preaching of God's Word is generated by the challenging work of praying over a biblical text, studying it, and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide me toward a message. It's the old illustration of the butterfly and the cocoon -- the struggle to escape the cocoon is what ultimately gives the butterfly the strength to fly. Take away the struggle and you take away the power.

If you believe that preaching is simply sanctified acting -- just a performance on Sunday morning, with the pulpit as your stage -- then using someone else's script is perfectly acceptable. But if you believe that the preaching of God's Word is a sacred moment in which God speaks to men and women through an empowered human messenger, then how dare we take an easy shortcut that abandons the transforming power that can come through the process of preparing a message from God's Word.

If you are too busy to prepare sermons, then you are too busy to preach.


Comments:
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Hmm...pretty far stretch to say Sjogren advocates lifting anothers sermon in total and using it for your own...the closest I could find to that in his remarks was his comment about several he knew that used the content of others in 70 per cent of their messages. The irony here is that Sjogren is the "original" servant evangelism guy...and he's been copied by countless others worldwide.
I saw the article from a time management perspective, as well as a people perspective...and he's dead on...if you are spending 25-30 hours a week (an average of 5-6 hours a day) on preparing the killer sermon, something (or someone) is getting the short end of the stick...usually the very ones we are called to pastor. Seems to me to be more a question of balance really.
 
"Part of the passion and power that comes through the preaching of God's Word is generated by the challenging work of praying over a biblical text, studying it, and allowing the Holy Spirit to guide me toward a message. It's the old illustration of the butterfly and the cocoon -- the struggle to escape the cocoon is what ultimately gives the butterfly the strength to fly. Take away the struggle and you take away the power..."

You pretty much covered anything I could have said in that paragraph. My sermon preparation time is special to me, oftentimes I am moved to tears by what I am reading as I spend time in the Word. I also use this time to pick up a hymnal and look up some hymns that go along with the text and read the words, or sing them, and spend great chunks of time in prayer over the passage.
 
I agree that 25 hours a week sermon preparation is what a serious preaching pastor should aim for, especially if he believes that this is his primary gift. I also agree with you, Michael, that the power is in the struggle.

Just one thing I'd like to tease out; I've wrestled with this subject often. I enjoy reading (or listening to podcasts of) other great preachers, whom I regard as my "anonymous mentors" in the preaching of the word. If I do this, I'm often gripped by that message myself, and it shapes me (which afterall it should!). My dilemma is what's the right thing for me to do if I later come to preach the same text to my own congregation. However much I labour prayerfully over the text, as you so well describe, because the message I've heard has done its work in me, it's all but inevitable that my own message will be shaped by the one I've heard - sometimes slightly, sometimes majorly. For instance I may end up producing a message which follows nearly the same outline, rests on nearly the same key thrust, etc. In other words, I have faithfully set out to preach a message crafted by own wrestling with God, but have ended up preaching something that could well look like plagiarism to anyone who's heard the original.

My question is around what form of acknowledgement is appropriate. I want to model godly integrity, not deception. Yet it would seem a distraction if I refer to the original preacher every few minutes! What I've done once or twice is declare in my intro that I'm indebted to Pastor X for much of the inspiration of this message. But I'm not sure that I want to do that too regularly either. So, I continue to wrestle with this one, and would love to hear your (or others') reflections.
 
Dr. Taylor when we were in seminary at New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary told us that we should spend an hour in prayer per minute in the pulpit. He wasn't kidding- it's why Bounds is recognized on the subject of prayer, but don't tell me he couldn't preach! Spurgeon got up at three every morning to do his prayer time prior to his day. Sermon prep and prayer are hand in hand, and prayer is what empowers a preacher- you can't steal anything when you are praying that much, Jesus simply won't have it.
Besides the which, from whence does our inspiration come brother? Is it not from the Lord? If we are thus inspired; which of his other servants then, would we be stealing from? I have a really time hearing Chuck Swindoll get uptight because I use one of his illuatrations in one of my sermons? Now if I use it and don't share with the folks that I go it out of "Tough Stuff" or one of his other works, then I am cheating them out of the knowledge of where to find similar material to grow on. In my mind very few pastors would do such?
 
Lance: You pose a good question: how do you give appropriate credit without making the sermon sound "footnoted." Others may offer some good suggestions on this. I simply try to make a reference to someone from whom I have drawn heavily in preparing my sermon.

For example, if I had borrowed an outline and some significant quotes from Dr. Jones, I might add a comment such as, "In studying this passage I came across some wonderful insights in a message by Dr. Jones, and I'll share some of those as we consider what God is showing us in this passage."

Michael Duduit
 
In the mid 70s still carrying my homiletics crate I decided that as the summer was filled with re-runs on TV I would "treat" the congregation where I was serving to some "Great Preaching," AJ Gossip, Spurgeon, JS Stewart and others. In a board meeting after my introduction to the series, I was blasted by a brother who thought it a sham that I would not prepare my own material. That early into my ministries I was fortunate to have some of the books from which I spoke that summer. I was blessed and with one exception so was the congregation.

Curtis McDonald, Sept. 18, 2006 9:07 PM
 
I totally agree with all Michael says and actually see myself in his comments. Personally I allocate daytime Monday for my morning sermon and Tuesday for my evening sermon with Wednesday morning for choosing hymns and liasing regarding worship. Sometimes I struggle for hours wrestling with the text (and for the text), sometimes I get so excited about it I keep walking round the study area in excitement.
I would personally feel very honoured if someone quoted at length from one of my sermons, however since I sometimes use illustrations from my hang gliding days I think that would be pretty well unplagiarable.

David Parsons (Dartford, UK).
 
I have been inspired by other pastors when it comes to my sermons. I was visiting friends in North Carolina and heard a great message on Joshua. I used the same passage but my message was certainly different from the one I heard on vacation. As far as I am concerned taking 70% of your message from someone else is stealing. Unless each week you tell your people the majority of your message is from another pastor. To me preaching another pastor's material is like wearing someone else's shoes. It just doesn't work.  
What about the case where a preacher has explicitly asked permission to use another's material? I know someone who is currently working through this and his church does not seem to mind the fact that he is using another preacher as a major source of sermonic information and material.

I know that in another experience that one of the best series a former colleague preached when I served with him was a series called the "Three Chairs" based on a series by Bruce Wilkonson. It had tremendous impact in the church and was some of his best preaching. Yet it was pretty much Bruce's idea with his own style and twist to it.
Does granted permission make any difference?
 
I, too, have struggled with this challenge. I've done it all--I have preached my own messages from "scratch," I have preached messages relying primarily on commentary research, I have preached messages using basic outlines from others, and I have preached messages which relied heavily on the works of others. I might also mention, that for a Southern Baptist who preaches two messages each Sunday, the challenge is compounded. How about 50 hours of preparation--before any pastoral ministry or administration is done? Rick Warren made an interesting statement: "If you use one resource, they call it stealing; if you use two resources, they call it research." I guess when it's all said and done, I would stop short of ultimatums--of any kind. While it may not be good to use someone else's message word for word, I still would not call it stealing if you give credit to another. And adapting someone else's message and "making it your own" is not necessarily wrong (in my opinion) if you are faithful to bathe your message and your preparation in prayer, diligently seeking the Lord. On the other hand, I love spending time in God's Word without lots of other resources--although it is FAR more time consuming. Sometimes, the pastoral needs of the congregation help make this decision. It is also important to adequately minister to people throughout the week. I say seek the Lord, prepare well, and preach! If God is in it, He will bless. If He is not, the results will be obvious.  
I have to agree with you Michael. Yet I do think that Steve has a point in the "nothing new under the sun" category. It seems to me that as I go through the week hearing good and bad sermons brought over the air waves, I grow and some of the points stick, and will surely shape a future sermon. But for me to call myself preaching and not do any of the "spade work" of prayer, study, and actual writing is tantamount to charlatanry and vain-glory.  
Couldn't disagree with you more. If the original preacher heard from God and I read what he heard and in the process use some of his material (changed to say it in my own words)it becomes a unique thing after I'm through. If we gave verbal credit every time we used someone else's comments, anecdotes, etc. we'd be preaching 3 hour sermons and most of that just giving verbal credit - That's what footnote are are all about.  
Fascinating discussion. When I first began preaching, I would do every conceivable piece of exegetical work I could think of, then commentaries, journal articles, etc. etc. I would sometimes end up with so much information, I wouldn't know where to begin and would get quite bogged down. Over the years I have filtered that process down a bit, learning a) what most often bears fruit forcertain tyupes of texts and what doesn't; b) that I don't have to bring to bear in one sermon every possible message or interpretation available from one text. Even if that were possible what would you do the next time the text rolls around if you are a lectionary preacher--which sometimes I am and somtimes I am not. Anyway, I still look at commentaries, articles, etc. I simply don't see how it is a significant distraction to say, "This sermon was inspired by the work of . . ." or "As [name] noted in his [book, commentary, article published in . . .] as a way of giving credit where credit is due. Come on, folks--if your called to be a preacher of the gospel, then everyone ought to expect and understand spending many hours in preparation. Some weeks need more, some less but it is your task nevertheless. Do the work, draw from others where needed or appropriate, and give credit.

Grace & peace,
Simon
 
Help me here Michael. Preaching topically is a specialized, and I would say a more time consuming method of preaching, that almost cries out for a team effort to accomplish the task. What is more, I believe found it to be the preaching method that most connects with people.

Even so, on the one hand you press hard for the expository method, yet the examples in your publication and even at the international conference in Scotland a few years back that focused on expository preaching, demonstrate little in the way of expository examples. In fact, my son, who was a high school senior at the time, said of the conference, “I thought this was supposed to be about expository preaching?”

What is more, you highlight and lift up Rick Warren as one of the best today; you lift up and highlight Bill Hybels and John Maxwell (until he decided he could make more in the world of business) as great communicators and yet these men all focus on topical messages and sell their materials and encourage the use of it! If you feel so strongly about this subject that you would use the word “stealing,” why do you highlight these men? I realize that they are high profile people who draw readers, but I am confused.

If I purchase a message and use it exactly under the terms of use, please help me, how is that stealing? If I recognize a weakness in myself and compensate for it, how is that criminal? I thought that was what the Ephesians text was all about. I thought that we though many with many different gifts were to come together for the sake of the Gospel. And since I have referred to it, who is that author of Ephesians anyway…Paul or the Holy Spirit?
 
I would hate to think that enforcing copyright laws on insight that has been given to someone by the Lord could actually be considered by someone claiming to belong to Christ.

Whose material is it anyway? Mine, mine, all mine, hardly.
 
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